Why do I want to be punished?
This one confuses people about themselves more than almost anything else on the site. Wanting a consequence is not the same as wanting to be hurt, and once you see what the consequence is actually doing, the whole thing stops looking strange.
Consenting adults only. Everything on this page is about adults over 18 who have freely agreed to it.
In short
- A punishment has an end. Ordinary guilt does not, because nobody ever tells you the account is settled.
- Being held to account requires someone to have been paying attention, which is often the larger part of the appeal.
- Baumeister (1988) described masochism as a temporary escape from the burden of being a competent adult self.
- Wanting resolution and believing you deserve harm are different feelings, and they leave you in different states afterwards.
Because a punishment finishes something. Ordinary guilt has no natural end point, so the useful thing a consequence provides is not the pain, it is the line drawn underneath afterwards. Everything here is between consenting adults over 18.
That is the shortest true answer I have. It took me a long time to arrive at it, and I spent a good few years assuming the appeal must be about the sensation, which turned out to be the least interesting part.
Nobody tells you when you have paid
Guilt in ordinary life has no ending built in. You let someone down in March and there is no process at all. No hearing, no sentence, no discharge. It simply sits there, resurfacing at half past two in the morning several years later, because nothing ever formally closed it. You cannot serve a sentence nobody has handed down.
A consequence you have agreed to gives you the missing half. It is finite, it is delivered by somebody else so you cannot argue with it, and it ends with the explicit statement that the matter is now closed. That statement is what people are actually after. The implement is the machinery for making it believable.
Ask people who want this what the best moment is and very few say the punishment. They say the bit afterwards: being told it is dealt with, that nobody is angry, that it is finished. The rest of it exists to make that sentence mean something.
Being held to account means someone was watching
Here is the part people find hardest to say out loud. Being punished requires that somebody noticed. It requires that they cared enough to keep track, to have an opinion about how you are doing, and to take the trouble.
Most adults are not held to anything by anybody. You could miss the gym for six months, drink more than you meant to every night for a fortnight, or let a friendship lapse entirely, and nobody would say a word. That freedom is what everyone says they want, and for a certain kind of person it is experienced mainly as being unobserved.
Against that, having someone say "you told me you would do this and you have not" is not unpleasant. It is evidence of attention. There is a longer version of this argument on why structure appeals, which is the page I would send anyone who recognises themselves here.
The relief of putting the prosecutor down
Most people who want punishment are already punishing themselves, constantly, with an internal commentary that never rests and never accepts that anything has been settled. That is exhausting in a way that is difficult to describe to anyone who does not have it.
Handing the job to somebody else, for an hour, is an enormous relief. You are no longer prosecutor, judge and defendant at once. Somebody else decides what is proportionate, somebody else says when it is over, and you get to be only the person it happens to.
Roy Baumeister put something similar in academic terms in 1988, describing masochism as a temporary escape from the burden of maintaining a competent adult self, with attention narrowed down to sensation and immediate circumstance. That is a theory that fits well rather than a proven mechanism, and I offer it as such. But it matches what people report closely enough that I keep coming back to it.
Absolution without a religion
A lot of this world runs on machinery that most people no longer have anywhere else. Confession, penance, a formal declaration of forgiveness, an external authority with the standing to say the matter is closed. Those were once widely available and they are not now.
The wanting did not go away with the institutions. What people are asking for when they ask to be punished is very often absolution, arranged privately, with somebody they trust. I do not think that is strange at all. I think it is one of the oldest things there is, arriving in a form nobody has given them permission to want.
The distinction worth keeping hold of
Wanting a consequence and believing you deserve harm feel similar from outside and are not the same from inside. The first has an end, involves somebody else, and leaves you lighter. The second has no end point, tends towards secrecy, and leaves you worse.
The practical test is what state you are in afterwards. Consensual discipline that is working leaves people calmer and closer to the person they did it with. If yours reliably leaves you flat, ashamed and wanting more of it quickly, that is worth paying attention to, and why do I like pain has a proper section on how this differs from self-harm.
If that landed uncomfortably
Samaritans, 116 123, free, any hour, and you do not have to be in crisis to ring. Mind has plain information on guilt, self-harm and finding a therapist at mind.org.uk.
Sources
- Baumeister, R. (1988). "Masochism as Escape from Self." Journal of Sex Research, 25(1). doi:10.1080/00224498809551444
Where this page mentions the law, it is general information written from an England and Wales position unless it says otherwise, and it is not legal advice. Scotland and Northern Ireland have their own law. If your own legal position matters, speak to a solicitor.
Common questions
Why would anyone want to be punished?
Mostly because a punishment ends something. Ordinary guilt has no natural stopping point: nobody tells you when you have paid, so it just carries on quietly. A consequence that is finite, delivered by someone else, and then declared over offers a closure that ordinary life does not provide. Being held to account also requires somebody to have been paying attention, which for a lot of people is the larger part of the appeal.
Is wanting to be punished the same as thinking you deserve to be hurt?
No, and the difference matters. Wanting punishment is usually about resolution: something is settled and then finished, and you are looked after afterwards. Believing you deserve harm is a different feeling, it has no end point, and it tends to leave you worse rather than lighter. If it is reliably the second one, that is worth talking to someone about, and Samaritans on 116 123 will take the call at any hour.